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 Posted 7/12/2009 7:41:35 AM |
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"I didn't realise you kept getting banned meadow, your writing style is so unique it was easy to follow you through your AKA's. I assumed you kept forgeting your password which is why I keep going MIA"
Actually some of my names, just to see what was what, were in total lock step with those who disagreed with me. shockingly enough, some people who hate what I post when I am myself, love me when I just nod and say Yess-um... or become a 180 of myself.. guess you'll all just need to wonder.
It's been very educational.
I write for a mag twice a month under a pen name. most of the time I put hours and hours of thinking into those projects, sometimes a year. When posting as another person I have one of the other's in the office do them for me.
I'm far better and live talk to a large audience, than I am at writing from the hip.
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| Posted 7/12/2009 8:58:52 AM |
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| wallsostone, I guess the derogatory comments about fulltime farmers were posted here before I became a member because I don't remember them. That person was a fool! I'm coming from the point of being neither an affluent hobby farmer nor a fulltime farmer but it just seems--counterproductive--for one group to disparage the other. This is a big country. There is for various groups to do their own thing. Lots of room for fulltime farmers AND hobby farmers. Honestly, I don't think it does anything but annoy people to mock what they think is important. Everybody starts things in their lives and makes messes. That's called life. If city folks want to come to the country and learn (sometimes the hard way) what works and what doesn't work, what does that hurt? John and I both grew up in the country (John on a small farm where his dad grew soy beans and corn) and we still make a lot of stupid choices when we started out. I see folks posting here that I can tell are going to do the same things we did and I want to say something but geez, maybe it will work for them? Who knows? Is it my right to burst someone else's bubble? I don't think so. You were fortunate to be born into a farm family where you learned from your parents and grandparents. Some of us didn't have that advantage. So we read the books, try things out and if it works, hurrah! If it doesn't, we step back, see what we can salvage and try again. It's part of the American dream. I think that's what Hobby Farms is about. And I would hope the Hobby Farms forum is too. Sue
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| Posted 7/12/2009 9:44:52 AM |
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Sue,
Actually the comment was about rural people. How backward they could be ect. I strongly disagree with just letting someone do something stupid.
here the advice is free... many who disagree with the theories tossed about in here related to global warming or green topics in general.
Live and let live is a great defense used but those who would rather the opposition just sit down, shut up and not get in there way... because there idea is fooling the masses and making them money.
Folks who didn't come into the industry as Draw and I did have tried to show there might and right with higher education and big words for years.
You asked what's it hurt? well the land for starters. Buildings built poorly that take up space, making land no longer farmable after they walk away.
grants given to people who turn out to be bad investments with your tax money....Bills not paid at the feed store...bad debts, animals poorly treated by folks who refuse help from the "hick" down the road and don't know any better.
shattered dreams of folks suckered into dumb ideas and scams written by hucksters well intended or not, who have there own agenda. People who mess around with equipment that could harm/kill them...like the older retired man who was so smart he tripped over his own safety gear, cut himself with a chain saw and died in the woods. Just another city boy who got his info from a book and didn't listen to the hicks. Or the fool who got tons of equipment built to large for him..wrecked and died. Could go on and on.
but hey why wreck a dream?
.. or the bad blood from people who don't want to drop the city way...the mind your own business, stay off my land I worked hard for it bunch. The folks who want to idea, but don't truly want to do as the romans do.
Same old story.. how dumb we locals are for keeping a gun in the truck or letting our dogs run free or not going to the movies...not doing the latest and greatest thing. These people come and go like the tide.
Tell one off and get nasty E-mails.
Her's an idea. I'd like to see a publication start preaching real advice for people who want to drop all the fluffy words and warm fuzzy concepts and get real.
ideas from real farmers to people who want to be as close to real farmers as they can be.
with 11% unemployment, there won't be to many people selling toys...and I'm sure by then many people will come to there senses and want to get something for what they've invested in the Hobby.
Yes sue it's a big world, but I need to be in it to. you can bet I'm going to speak up now and then when I disagree. Think of it as the opportunity to prove that side of the argument.
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| Posted 7/12/2009 11:55:07 AM |
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| I had no idea that a basic question about the forum rules for a community moderator was going to spark such a big debate. That being said, I kind of have to agree with Sue. It seems counterproductive to me to spend a bunch of time on a forum constantly bashing what people really believe in. It would be like me going on the Range magazine forum and arguing with people about predator control and conservation easements - I'm not going to change any minds by telling people that what they are doing is wrong and stupid. I also don't think that bashing people in private emails is particularly productive. I'm sorry that people have felt the need to do that to you WOS. I guess my main response to you, WOS, would be to please stop painting all hobby farmers/city folk/educated people/ whatever you call us - with the same broad brush. In the same way that you did not like reading posts from people who think that rural people are backwards and uneducated, I don't like reading posts about hobby farmers being brainwashed into believing a bunch of fads, or that you can't learn farming methods by reading books. Not everyone on this forum is lucky enough to have been raised in farming family, and people get a lot of good information from reading books and magazines etc. Personally, I do have a farming family background, back more generations than I can count. My family didn't do it in this country, they did it in Africa, but it's the same principle. My personal commitment to organic methods of agriculture stems from watching my grandfather die at 69 of cancer caused by exposure to agricultural chemicals. One uncle dead at 48, and another one in his early 60's fighting a losing battle with cancer also caused by chemical exposure. Parents with major health problems from growing up around that stuff. We learned the hard way, not by being suckered by some fad for organics. And I educate myself continually and commit myself to changing things so that my son can grow up healthy with a healthy respect for the planet. And I vote with my wallet every time I buy from other, local, farmers committed to the same things that I believe in. So, please, consider that a lot of what people talk about on this forum is personally very important to them, for serious reasons, not just to jump on the next big bandwagon.
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| Posted 7/12/2009 4:41:49 PM |
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so in other words, just don't' dressage with anyone.. ah yea.. I love it.
who bashes? some ideas I'm firmly ageists..others are just debate, don't be sensitive.
and I'd like to go back the posts of the other fellows.. who's right is it to toss someone out just because they think hand milking is silly?
and I don't care about the people i'm in the forum with per say...it's the lurkers who want to make a choice that count. the undecided persons who may or may not have a clue. Think of it as one of those debate shows on Sunday TV. Do you think they are trying to change each other's minds or present there side to the masses?
we never got into the posts I made that were later changed to reflect the objectives of the mag... hey I can see some of these posts are set up to sell stuff. and I'm sure that whatever company selling whatever is paying big jack..but when someone comes along with another angle..
Don't change there words to make them agree with you and don't be so closed minded. If I owned that other forum you spoke of, I'd be happy for the hits. Drama sells forums...if you all just sit around and nod at each other you'll never learn anything.
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| Posted 7/13/2009 3:22:09 AM |
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Sue Weaver (7/12/2009)
My feeling is that this is Hobby Farms magazine's forum. If you pick up any issue of the magazine and leaf through it you'll note that much of the material and advertising is aimed at relatively affluent hobby farmers--it's not a magazine slanted for fulltime ("real") farmers.
I think it would behoove both the magazine and other forum members to snap out of this limiting thinking. First of all it states right on the cover of the magazine "Farming for fun and PROFIT, and what hobby farmer has not watched a lamb gnaw away on a piece of straw for the first time and wish beyond all wishes that they could not just work full time on the farm full-time? I picked up Hobby Farms off the newstand...and liked it...because unlike other magazines it had a nice cross between production and hobby farms that I did not see in any other magazine out there. I also love looking up the advertisers on line and seeing the cool, smaller scale stuff that is ideal for sheep!
Personally I think if hobby farms was to market itself to just the affluent hobby farmers...it will ultimately die a slow death like many other magazines over the years. There are well off hobby farmers out there, but there are a lot more people that have the passion for farming but not the big fiscal reserves to back it up. I think Hobby Farms Mag does well at bringing the right content and advertisements to keep this delicate balance in focus and proves that with a frugal sub-forum that can show that with some work and ingenuity, a less expensive alternative can be made. So yes, the affluent farmer can buy that wind-directed mineral feeder, while I can show how I built the same thing out of wood and a bearing on the frugal section of the forum...see both can co-exist...and make the magazine, and the forum work in conjunction to reach a broader audience!
I agree that WOS, and perhaps to a lesser extent...myself can, come on kind of strong, but have you noticed our posts also typically go multiple pages? At the same time a lot of the questions are directed towards full-time farmers, so beneath the surface, I think there are lots of opportunities for both hobby farmers and full time farmers on this forum. On the flip side, I have also caught an undertone from some posters that bring up the fact that I am a full-time farmer when it really has no bearing on the post I have replied too. In a small way, I think there may be some jealousy there which is why I have learned to never say how big my flock is, or how many acres my farm has. It really has no bearing on the majority of posts on here.
As for forums...I post on both commercial farming forums and hobby farm forums simply because my sheep farm is a hobby farm at this point, yet with me neck deep in dairy cows...I have a vast amount of farming knowledge too.
To answer the ultimate question though Sue, can the small hobby farmer and production farmer get along? We we have to. That is all there is to it. Without successors there is no success and as my county found out, having only mega-farms resulted in lots of lost farmland. Now we are reversing that trend so my greatest challenge is trying to show production farmers like WOS that small farms have incredible merit, while also trying to show the small farmers (like Valerie Jean) that we are not the evil big brother's of the agricultural world either.
It's not an easy role to play, but for the sake of agriculture as a whole...and to the benefit of society...it's got to be done.
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Tell a welfare recipient they must work and they call their congressman. Tell a farmer he can no longer work and he commits suicide. No wonder 1/2% of the population feeds the other 99-1/2%!!
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| Posted 7/13/2009 5:13:55 AM |
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well sure they have merit, it's the idea that bothers me.
first off I am ticked at the constant marketing of agg as being either this vast factory full of wicked people who inject great drugs into there stock to harm little kids at a profit or this wonderful magical land of unicorns and bunnies. It's bunk. sure if someone wants to have a farmet.. have at it I don't care... but don't pitch that person the idea that to farm one must buy my the latest and greatest thing thats all the rage in Europe. or this other expensive thing.
and Don't go on and on about a topic like organic with out expecting, sooner or later..for someone "lucky enough" to be raised on a farm to say enough and challenge it.
and when they do, don't come back with just something you read. For pete's sake.. you read our words as well, your just not open minded.
Yes you can get info from a book, but to always say " I read in a book" when talking about a trade, an actually act seems to me that the only knowledge that person gets is form a book.
Imagine hire'n a contractor to build your home.. and he's never built a home, but he's read about it in a book.
Sure you all have a place and we can get along, but not only do I need to get along with the people I just stated, but they need to be as open minded as they demand I be.
Yea I agree with draw. if one were to only market to the rich hobby farmer who isn't running his operation like a large farm.. then your time is short lived. " Work for the masses and eat with the classes." one can't sell to a small group and expect to make ends meet.
In good times and bad you want to sell something everyone must have...like T.P. I'd say better than half the wealthy people I know who farm for fun and profit would never buy anything in the mag. You all would probably call them real farmers.
no offence but they don't farm for fun per say they are looking for some benefit at the end of the day. and most of them don't want to buy a cyth or hear about a tractor that runs on peanut oil.
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| Posted 7/13/2009 11:03:04 AM |
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Hello Everyone,
I'm a newer Moderator on this Forum but I'm not new to moderating the forums to the company that publishes Hobby Farms and HobbyFarms.com. I can tell you that we truly believe in running an open public forum and that it's a great resource for hobby farmers and for those who are looking to get into hobby farming. I also can tell you that as a moderator we are a stickler for our Forum Rules. As long as you know our Forum Rules and you stick to them there shouldn't be any problem. Some of our main everyday Forum rules we ask of our members include:
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Please keep all postings and subject matter relevant to the thread topics. This is a forum where all members share and give advice and information. It is not a place to gossip, rant, or rave about subject matters not pertaining to the discussion.
With that said - derogatory remarks, instigating issues and flaming other members are closely monitered. We encourage and welcome debate on our forum and invite all of our forum members to share their different opinions. But as stated in Rule No. 1 we ask that you do so in a friendly manner. There is a way to debate in a friendly and positive manner. And when the moderation team begins to recieve PM's and e-mails from other Forum members that a debate has turned for the worse we will take action to keep our forum friendly. That action usually results in the closing or hiding of a topic pending on the severity of the attack on others.
We do have a warning system on this forum and those that choose to continuously break our forum rules are not welcome to participate.
wallsostone - from the records that I have you have recieved a couple of warnings. I will give you this one last warning to please follow our Forum Rules.
Please keep your eye out for an upcoming post on how to handle conflicts on our Forum. The problem with an online forum is that it is online and body language and voice inflections are not always reflected or interpreted in the manner that the poster originated his or her text.
Thank you to everyone who has shared an opinion on this matter. I will now be closing this post as it has gone off topic from the original questions of :
How do members get banned from the forum? And, once they have been banned, how are they prevented from continuing to post under a new user name?
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