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the so what comment is just grate'n my cheese.
I do care if he's a hypocrite. it's not like he says..don't pick your nose.. he's saying things and pointing fingers in a big way....profiting in a major way...talking Millions of sucker dollars spent on his speeches and his films and his rally and then he spends in on luxury items for himself wile the masses turn off the lights at dark and change everything.
Some people here rely make me think that havening a standard for myself, building things with out cheating people and being honest is one of the most foolish things I ever could have done.
Heck with it... If a fraud like him gets a pass then why bother?
I once felt that my agg back ground have given me some sort of perspective on helping my fellow man and honestly. Something about standing for something....I once felt that it was wrong to do things strictly for my own self interest or dupe'n the masses was evil. That picking up stranded pedestrians I didn't know in the rain and changing tires for women without husbands was good.... I thought giving to charity and so on was worth it. But the more of that I read, well the less I think I care.
If a huckster like him gets a pass with that excuse, heck with it.
I'll go into politics.
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He doesn't bother me. I think the Green Movement (like any movement that involves serious change) is at first going to be riddled with people that are hypocrites. He is a big hypocrite for sure, but so are the Soccer Moms that think they need an SUV the size of a small island to drive to an anti-exxon demonstration. Or John Travolta who tells the population to go green, and yet fly's his 747 so low overhead the FAA gives him a citation. Heck even farmers are when they get massive tractors that are not properly coupled to the right drawbar loads. We all can do better I think.
I think conservation is the ultimate answer.
Eat lamb...because 50,000 coyotes CAN'T be wrong!
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Carbon is just BS
scare the masses into thinking the world is going to end? Please.
Who are we to think we a simple..tiny speck could undo something so complex as the world?
30 years ago it was global cooling, and a new ice age. And what about the studies of the ice caps called off due to record cold temps this year?
HA or every city that Gore spoke in this winter, had recored cold temps on that day.
Or the fact that the poler bear pictures in his film was actually footage taken in 95 by a man standing on ground, no far far out on the sea. Oh and science showed us that there are more bears now than before. I mean they had to debate as to weather or not to take the bears off the endangered species list due to the fact that they had pumped so much money into there cause.
Think of all the scientist who'd be forced to get a real job. oh my they'ed be forced to stand in the welfare line with the people we painted as the anti-Christ on wall street.
I frankly don't care if people want to follow some cause, so long as it doesn't effect me at th end of the day.
want to change the world? use your own money.
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[quote]Drawbar (5/30/2009)
He doesn't bother me. I think the Green Movement (like any movement that involves serious change) is at first going to be riddled with people that are hypocrites. He is a big hypocrite for sure, but so are the Soccer Moms that think they need an SUV the size of a small island to drive to an anti-exxon demonstration. Or John Travolta who tells the population to go green, and yet fly's his 747 so low overhead the FAA gives him a citation. Heck even farmers are when they get massive tractors that are not properly coupled to the right drawbar loads. We all can do better I think.
I think conservation is the ultimate answer.[/quote]
You're so right, Drawbar. I know I can do better, and I think every little bit helps. This weekend we've had unseasonably hot, sunny weather here (usually we're still getting plenty of rain), so I decided to do all my clothes drying on the line rather than in my dryer. Takes a little more time, but cuts our carbon footprint a bit and saves money. Plus, I actually enjoy it!
Cherie
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Good for you!
Are you aware of the Right to Dry movement! Okay, do not laugh as I did not understand this at first either. I always grew up in rural Maine where no one could tell you NOT to line dry clothes. Still I found out some apartment dwellers, gated communities and towns have ordinances against it. This one guy started the Right To Dry movement to give people the right to air dry laundry.
Myself I think its silly to live in a world so blatantly driven with sexual stuff and yet people may find my wife's G string hanging on the line as "offensive".
Furthermore did you know there is not ONE energy star rated dryer on the market? They are just a machine that cannot meet the standard. Anyway this guys ultimate goal is to have the white house hang out their laundry for One day a year in the hopes of giving power to his message about allowing this "free" country the right to line dry clothes.
Eat lamb...because 50,000 coyotes CAN'T be wrong!
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| <LOL> We haven't owned a dryer in the 35 years we've been married. Even in Minnesota, even at -40. We had an antique clothing drying rack that we set by the woodstove during the coldest months but otherwise, out they went on the line. We do occasionally have clothes drying on the shower curtain bar from time to time but that's okay. We vastly prefer Ma Nature's clothes dryer. She does many things better than the inventions of humankind. Sue
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yea, I don't want my boxers on the clothes line. But other stuff is out there.
In other cultures they hang out the wedding night sheets on the line, but I don't live in Italy so 
Here is my thing. Here the clothes line just was.. it's what you did to save a dime. New come'ers here are shocked to see that the selling point of a house is a dryer hook up. OR you may need to go outside and down the basement steps to use the Washer & Dryer. But we did it because we don't have money. We are frugal.
Now what's funny is all the soccer moms in the fancy new development who have a clothes line rather than an SUV... the motivation is the same.
I'd like to see them all get an out house to HA
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| No, twice we've been offered like-new dryers. I don't want one. I love the smell of line-dried clothing. I just think it's better, as well as a way not to waste electricity. We had the Minnesota outhouse for the same reason. I'd have one here but there are too many dangerous critters in the South. A few days ago I picked up a feed tub and thought I'd been stung by a wasp. Flipped it over and there was a big, hairy spider under the rim. As a recovering arachnophobe you can imagine how pleased I was. However, it was just a hairy spider and the bite was exactly like a wasp sting (except with fang marks)--but what if it had been a black widow? We have lots of those here (and brown recluse spiders as well). Sue
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We got the Amish here now and its fun watching how they do things even though I often sheep farm far more "Frontier Day Ways" then they do. Anyway their clothes washing is one such thing.
I figured they beat their clothes on an old washboard or rock, but nope they have washing machines and dryers. They just happen to be hooked up to lawnmower engines outside. A driveshaft goes into the house and turns a gear box that spins the washer or dryer, where as their hot water and heated air is warmed with propane.
Seems like a lot of work in converting stuff to me when the end use is the same. Besides they use electricity in their barns and on their electric fences to keep their horses in.
Eat lamb...because 50,000 coyotes CAN'T be wrong!
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I get a kick out of that to. People think they PA Amish are all clean and wonderful..and yea I have lots of friends who are Amish.
They have great tobacco and tell some very very dirty jokes. I mean shucks they are not the Pope. (Que Chimes)
Here they have everything. Phones are kept in an out building on the farm, away from the house. But people come here to see them plow W/horses and run the clothing up the clothes like that is fixed to the top of the barn.
but you go into the barn and then have electric lights, and a TV...all that.
(some Amishmen will send me a nasty E-mail after reading this on line HA HA)
They arrested some of the Amish kids in PA for DUI in a buggy. It was not long ago, but they keep it hush because of the tourist image.
Then you have the people who try to join them. Kind of like Kevin Cosner (sp?) in Dances With Wolves...going off to join the Indians. but the people who do spend a Summer with the Amish figure it out rather quickly and don't come back for all the hard work and lack of bathing.
The image and what they actually do are not the same.
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