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Posted 11/21/2009 10:48:08 AM
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for years PA Game Comish denied any exsistance of coyotes in PA. they told us of an over population of wild dogs. This turned out to be a bucket of crap and lies after the population blew up big time and "the coyote" lady started to shoot a 'yotie a week from her home close to me.

The State of PA had allowed the yote to establish it's self in part to control deer were hunters are few.
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Posted 11/24/2009 6:08:27 PM


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As promised, I got a for-real answer from a for-real wildilfe biologist. The short answer is no coydogs - for the reasons we talked about (social strucutre and timing of breeding don't match).  The occasional one may occur but it is insignificant at a population level.  In short, they are more myth than reality (at least here in the east). 

Mart, I have the latest scientific paper that analyzed the genetic structure of nearly 700 eastern coyotes and found that significant breeding ocurred with Canadian wolves as the cocyote popn arced north of the Great Lakes. This hybridization is what allowed them to colonize PA and other eastern states so quickly (beginning in the mid 1940s). That hybridization also transformed them from the small mouser of the Great Plains to the larger deer hunter of the eastern woods.

As far as coydogs, the paper states:

"Likewise, our finding of only one dog-like haplotype suggests that hybridization with dogs has not been significant, at least not between male northeastern coyotes and  female dogs."

Mart, I think you would find this paper fascinating. If you'd like to see it, let me know and I'll PM it to you.



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Posted 11/25/2009 9:21:13 AM
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I would love to read that paper. I have heard the theory of the wolf/coyote cross breed and the resulting larger coyote in the east. The largest coyote I ever caught in Northern New York was 52 pounds. In the west my largest coyote was 36 pounds. I don't trap much any more but still love to research and gain knowledge. Please do PM the information. Thank you.

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Posted 11/25/2009 9:57:40 AM
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the coydog idea was domestic dogs and yoties. not yotie and wolf.


the idea I follow is that the northeasteren Coyotie has evolved from a blood line that went north into canada following trappers and prospectors and then moved east over a centurie. our yoties are larger than those I've seen in other parts of then country. They are all coyotie and have 0 wolf blood. BUT it's not out of the question to think that the northern yote is larger due to his environment.
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Williams: You said in an earlier post that you are a wildlife biologist specialising in Bats.

I would be really interested in you starting a post sharing you knowledge on attracting bats, stuff they like and dont like, best places for batboxes, designs of bat boxes etc.

I have a really decent colony of bats but would love to help them increase numbers and make life a little easier for them! obviously in return I expect to be completely mosquito free next year!!!

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"Williams: You said in an earlier post that you are a wildlife biologist specialising in Bats."


if this is the case, have you meet my mother in law?
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Posted 11/25/2009 2:25:46 PM


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Britboy. A post on bats? That's a good idea. Duh, wonder why I hadn't thought of that? With White Nose Syndrome, bats need all the help they can get these days. Maybe over the weekend when my T-giving obligations are done, I'll start a post on attracting bats to the hobby farm.

WOS. Don't know how to answer your question without knowing your MIL's name.

Mart. I'll double check to make sure I can distribute the paper. I just noticed it has a Dec 09 publication date, which means it is still 'in press'. That means I may not be able to send it to you until it appears in the official journal. So if there is a delay, please remind me in a week or two and I'll send it to you. I know you'll enjoy it.

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Posted 11/25/2009 9:13:00 PM
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your might actually think I was being real... ha ha... as if she actuality worked with bats/was in your field. or that she actually worked

when I talk about "the old bat" that's her name. LOL
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WOS, at least the gift giving is easy, eh? Just give her a bag of bugs for Christmas

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Posted 11/27/2009 12:46:37 AM


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I'd be interested in bat info too.

I am working with the USDA next year to build a pile of Bat Colony Boxes to help take care of the bugs that bother my sheep. Granted the bats will only be able to eat the bugs that fly between dusk and dawn, but from what I have seen, they are effective and eat 1000 bugs per hour.

I have an old sheep shed on my grandmothers place where there are 1000's of bats. The building is about ready to fall down though so I want to attract them to a new place before they lose their home.

No white nose disease up here yet though (Maine)

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