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Posted 10/26/2009 9:39:07 AM
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Fall calving season is here. Haven't heard the last count. But we have twins. Both are up and going, however has anyone had any experience with twins. Is it true that if they are opposite sex that the heifer isn't fertile? What do you do, for example do you take the weakest one away and bottle feed it or try to get a mom that lost her calf to except this one? Would like to know what you all would do. Mom is healthy and in good condition, but if the weather turn cold like they say it might, I open to options.

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Posted 10/26/2009 11:01:10 AM
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If they are opposite sexes, 95%+ of the time the heifer will be sterile.  Not worth gambling on a losing hand, so just mark her in your mind as walking steaks. 

Depending on the cow, I would just let her feed them both.  We have a cow that fairly regularly has twins and most times she raises them fine except last year where one of them was just not healthy from the start.  There is a chance that the other cow will naturally take the extra calf if she hasn't dried up yet.  I find that cows and calves really aren't that picky when it comes to feeding time, especially as the calves get older. 

If one of the calves isn't doing well, you can try to foster it over to the one that lost its calf.  This can be a pain if you have to do it confined and she isn't used to being pinned up.  I used to raise two to three baby calves per Jersey nurse cow and I can tell you the first week getting them all adjusted to each other is "exciting". 

Another option is the bottle feed one or both of the twins.  This is a lot of work but may be needed if one starts going downhill.

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Wow - that's fascinating. Why would the female twin be sterile?  If they are opposite sexes it would mean they came from two different fertilized eggs, with a X/Y chromosone pair for the male and an X/X for the female, right?

So why would the female turn out sterile? Doesn't she get a normal set of chromosomes, one from each parent?  I would love to understand the biology on this if anybody would fill me in. Thanks!

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Here is an article that gives a quick rundown.  They seemed to be very common in one of the dairy herds we bought Holstein calves from many years ago.  They were all going in the locker anyway so it didn't matter.

http://www.thecattlesite.com/articles/975/what-is-a-freemartin

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Had one set of twins two years ago out of 75 cows.  Haven't had any since which is fine with me!

They were twin bulls out of a Holstien cow.  Had to help her deliver the second one.  I hate to see bull/heifer twins......so disappointing!

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Posted 10/27/2009 8:10:22 AM
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My dad had a couple sets of hereford twins and as I recall they both went to slaughter.  We had triplets once and they were a mess; lots of issues and I think we lost at least one if not two of them.  I don't think cows are really made to do that.
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Twins on our farm go for Veal. Typically one does well, the other does not, so even if they are heifers the cost of raising them to a point where you can tell which one is the better of the two...you are out of money which will never be recoverable since genetically they will most likely reproduce twins.

Twins=veal on our farm.



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Posted 10/27/2009 9:28:29 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong. While in the womb the bull's hormones are too much for the heifer's system so the heifer is sterile.
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Oh I love dicussing twins and especially free martins!!  I find there are so many misconceptions!

Most of the time a heifer born twin to a bull is a free-martin.  The problem is when the bull developes his sex organs before the heifer, his testosterone inhibits the developement of her sex organs.  If she developes her sex organs first, she will be fine.  A free-martin actually lacks or has an underdeloped cervix, uterus and ovaries, hence steaks.  You can actually tell if the heifer is good or not when they are very young.  You can insert a blunt, well lubricated probe into the calf's vagina and measure how far it goes in.  A free-martin has a shorter vag than a normal heifer.  I don't have my Merck manual here at the moment (its at the dairy) so these numbers may not be right but its something like a normal heifer is 11-14cm in length and a FM is 6-8 cm.  I will have to check my Merck.  I haven't done it myself- we just wait and see- less akward than molesting a calf.  You can guess by looking at which is bigger at birth, that may be the one who developed first.  This spring we had a hol have a BIG bull, he died right after delivery, blinked his eyes but never took a breath.  We walked away then I saw a "bubble" coming out and there were feet in it!!  That was a heifer, yep, a little smaller than the bull.  We will wait and see what happens when she matures.

DB I have to disagree on the veal idea.  I have twin hols milking in the barn right now.  No problems (other than attitude) and the 4 calves they have produced thus far were single births.  And the first "grandcalf" was a single as well.  Is it genetic, oh yea, but I'm not worried.  The guy I'm getting my Jersey from had a cow that produced 4 or 5 sets of twins, then a single, then finally she went to town.  And once upon a time, my dad had 4 sets of twin heifers in his milking herd of 40- that means they were 20% of the herd!  And he would've had a heifer that was twin to a bull, too!  He had her with the steers at first but when he saw her in heat she went with the bull.  She was due to calve soon when she, and a bunch of springing heifers got coccidiosis and died. 

PS there was a rancher, I believe from ND, that had triplets this spring!! The cow accepted all 3 but they had her way from the herd for monitoring.  She can only support 3 growing calves for so long before they just won't gain like they should.   Then its time for calf candy!!

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Posted 10/28/2009 6:16:25 AM
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Hendr09...Did you try CPR on the bull calf? Pa-Pa had done it many a times and grabbing the legs and swinging the calf to get the water out of the lungs. We've seen many of miracles up at the lot when Pa-Pa is focused.
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