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Its called thread drift and it happens all the time on forums.
I don't think anyone was deliberately trying to put anyone down; just showing how they view things. Some people are cat people...some people like dogs. Some people like Jersey's...some people like Holsteins... Yep, I personally don't mind a little thread drift. The first answers were all about answering the original question. Thread drift can be very informative. I learned a lot from this thread drift. If the OP minded the thread drift, I do apologize.
Emily Dixon
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Also Morningland Dairy Raw Milk Cheeses. www.morninglanddairy.com
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| Thanks DB!! Boring Holsteins is right!! I got sick of black and white years ago and tried to get some red Hol but dad kind of quit when I left home. Now I have a red hol although not from our own cows, and a Normand/Hol X which is black and white but her spots really make her stand out!! It will be interesting this spring to see what kind of milker she makes! Dad still uses the same milkers he bought in the early '70's. They have a bigger jar so he has to use a belt anyway- oh hope we have a belt small enough for the jersey!! Dad's last milkcheck was $12.80 but with our premiums we got $14.31 so whatever BF and protein Josie the Jersey can contribute will help. I just can't figure out if she can go in a stanchion next to Avonna ( big Hol pig- she steals from her own twin sis!!) or put her by the Hol heifers that we will be putting in this fall. Hmmm...
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We farm in Maine so we get a bit more then that...Maine Gov kicks in money for the dairy farmers here, but here is the thing, they just found out that this state will be another 200 million short so all "non essential payments" are being cut and I am sure the farmers will get the brunt of that. As is, my pay as a Foster Parent have stopped as well. Funny how that works...the nice people that are decent enough to take care of the trash that can't take care of their kids, do NOT get paid, and the welfare trash keep getting their pay...70% of which comes out of our FARM BILL!
Ugggggggg!
But you made me think. I have a Holstein Bull here that protects the sheep and will ultimately be beef for my table. On his neck he has a little red. I assumed he was cross bred with a Jersey somewhere in his lineage, but the boys on the farm insist he is a pure bred. (we have 5-6 calfs bore per day so its hard to keep things straight lineage wise). Anyway I never thought about possibly having a bit of red Holstein in him...considering the color, I bet he has a recessive gene in him, manifesting itself in his neck when the sun is just right.
Thanks for reminding me!
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I can already tell you if the animal will be a milker or not...check out its eyelashes.
Livestock that have white eyelashes ALWAYS give the most milk, BUT they also are the most high strung...skittish...wild...whatever you want to call them. My Uncle told me that 20 years ago and you know what, he is absolutely right. Even in researching sheep over the past year, I have noted the same thing. The white eyelash sheep give the most milk, but are son's-a-guns to manage. So apparently the white eye lash thing holds true on sheep as well. I suspect its a genetic 'good mothering' side of genetics that gives them the extra milk capacity and the skittish nature since they are more protective of themselves and their young.
Cattle dealers know this too and are always on the prowl for white eye lash heifers.
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| My grandpa was a cattle buyer (he died when I was 2 so I never knew him) and dad has told me some of the things he used to pick out good milkers. I don't remember them other than 1 had something to do with how long/where the cows tail ended on the legs. I don't know what color Josie the Jerseys lashes are, I was hoping to bring her home this wkend but as Sat is my only day off, its not looking too good. I will check out some of my other cows though. Your bull could still have a touch, a drop of Jersey from way way WAY back. Have you had red Hol? Its funny what colors you can get from those crazy cows. I had 2 black beef cows (from black cows and ?? bull) that had red calves with last years black bull. My Hereford cow had a RWF with same black bull, that one really should've been a black baldy! But my brothers red cow had a black calf?!?! Must have been some red factor somewhere. And one of my black heifers came out of, what I call a white white face cow. She looked like she was white but you could see the face was whiter than the body. So maybe that black heifer will have a purple calf next year- who knows!! Thats whats kind of fun about having mixed cows- they're like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get!
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| DB thought I'd let you know, I believe strongly in spaying and neutering- and not just for cats and dogs. And without saying too much so as not to get myself in trouble I feel your pain. Once again, the children suffer. The parents don't care for them and they end up bouncing around foster homes, then when times get tough we take money away from those providing for the kids and keep feeding and housing their worthless parents?? I am totally there if you get in trouble whether its drugs or whatever, put on your big girl panties and I will help you, but don't expect me to do it for you! And I'm not putting down foster homes its just not fair to the kids. I just can't imagine what they go through. Every child deserves to be wanted!! What was the original topic again?? Oh, yea, goat vs cow milk.
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I can't say much because of Minor Laws and whatnot, and laws pertaining to confidentiality stuff, but I always felt, anyone who hurts a child under the age of 16 should be inflicted with whatever punishment that child got.
Even here in Maine which is better then most states to raise a child, there are some funny people. My sister Trisha is one person I can talk about because she is dead now, but when she was 15 months old her step father raped her. Yep, 15 MONTHS. Now that is sick. People like that you just shoot. They also beat her so bad that she quit breathing and it was only because the police had been called, and the police officer did CPR and got her breathing that she survived. At the hospital though, the parents came in and tried suffocating Trisha with a garbage bag because they thought they would get in trouble if she was alive. ??? That was when my parents (foster parents as well) got her. She was later adopted thankfully and did well until a car accident where she died. :-(
I was the youngest of 3 kids, but my parents adopted 6 out of foster care, so I can tell you some child horror stories. I didn't cry when Ole Yeller died, but I have shed many a tear over these kids. I just don't get it. Society will spend millions giving the lobstermen gear to prevent whales from getting tangled in traps, but won't spend an extra penny for foster parents.
Maybe the foster care system should pay us all in Goat Milk. That would pump up the goat dairy industry, and give us something tangible to sell. Its actually a dumb idea, but it got the discussion back to Goats Milk versus Cows Milk! (LOL)
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| DB - I want to thank you for taking those kids in. I was abused by an older brother from before the time I could speak, so I know the horrors that kids go through. Believe me, you are making a big difference in those kids' lives. The "system" is truly messed up, though, that you are not getting paid. Now, being a cow person, I say that the foster care system should supply a milk cow when they place a child!
Karen
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| Goat milk is healthier than cows milk. It is easier to digest, infact easier than breastmilk. I think it is around 30% higher in vitamins, minerals, and fat (depending on the breed of goat). Sheep milk is actually even higher in nutrients than even goat. When it comes to the flavor, especially if you are raising the goats yourself. Go to you local purina dealer and ask for Noble Goat Dairy Parlor 18. Do not let them graze on any weeds. They can give you more information on how you will need to feed this. I couldn't believe it when one of my customers brought me his goats milk after changing to this feed and it had NO off flavors.
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| I love the statement Goat milk is healthyer... that's not paiting with a wider brush..that's pait dropped from a crop duster I just but how can you just say something like that. Sorry but this is another case of point of view. person consuming the milk, condtion of the animal... ect ect ect.
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