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| hello ive been toying around with the idea of building a single tine plow that is on wheels that goes up and down by use of hydraulics im not sure however if my tractor would be able to pull it it is a 16 horse case 446 that has truck wheels on the back of it any body have any idea
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| You might, possibly, be able to pull one 12" plow. Maybe. If you have an owners manual check the specifications. If you don't have an owners manual they are easy to find on the Internet. I believe Case made a hydraulic tiller for that garden tractor that runs off the PTO. A tiller might be a more versitile implement for your use.
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You are on the wrong forum my friend! :-) Yes, you can and by all means it would work, but the people you need to talk to really are over on www.mytractorforum.com. You would not believe what they built. I have seen them use garden tractors to plow with, but I have also seen them fabricate front end loaders, backhoes and stuff on garden tractors. It actually blows my mind what these guys do with garden tractors. I mean I am blessed with a big tractor, but what they do to mod these garden tractors to do amazing amounts of work is truly inspiring.
I checked a bit, but in 10 minutes I must be at a Dr appointment. Still I found this home-made potato digger on the back of a garden tractor to show that not only can your plow be done, good god don't let your imagination be limited to plowing. From plow to harvest a garden tractor can do it all. You just got to be creative.
Interestingly enough, my dream has always been to start a business where I fabricated and engineered mini-equipment and implements for garden tractors and four wheelers. With hobby farms and farms in general getting smaller this is where there is an unfilled niche in my opinion.
Anyway here is the link to that potato digger and enjoy!
http://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=95561
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yes you can.
If you look at my avatar, that's my sears garden tractor with a 10" plow on the back. Works like a charm.
You need to look for Category "0" (zero) 3 point hitches and accessories. I know that an electric 3 point hitch is available so maybe a hydraulic is as well.
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| A word of caution: A lawn tractor is designed as a high Hp but low torque machine, whereas a real tractor is the otherway around. When you start to strain the lawn tractor, asking it to pull a really heavy load the engine will strain too much and because it is built for "speed" it will damage, and eventually break. The engine on a lawn tractor is made of Aluminum and the bearings will start knocking the journels and break them resulting in you requiring a new engine. A tractor engine (even a Chinese one) will be made of cast iron and the components (being big and heavy to increase torque) are designed for heavy low speed load. My 2c: Yes you probably can do it but you will pay for it.
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Good point BB. I own a 25 hp Kubota and a guy at work who had a 60 hp kubota was making fun of it. He laughed and said "I got a lawn tractor that is just as big!" Perhaps I said, but you are talking apples to oranges. The old steam driven tractors of the 1900's were rated at only 12 or 14 hp, yet they drove a flywheel of 2 tons! Inertia and horsepower are both important.
Note: Of course back then, when a salesman said a tractor had 12 horsepower they had better be able to pull like 12 horses. Can you imagine the old farmers today when you showed up with your lawn tractor and said it had 18 hp. They would laugh you into the soil!
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| I have a really old Kubota tractor, cant remember the number but it is only 17Hp - I bought it off the road about three years ago and I found the manual on the internet, I was really amazed at it being only 17Hp but it does everything I ask of it, ploughing the drive with 18" snow, Augering 12" holes and towing etc. To put it in perspective I bet I could chain it to my daughters ford focus and I would bet the tractor would win a tug of war contest! I will say though that I colleged in applied physics and my whole working career has been associated with engineering design of industrial machines HOWEVER I am not sure I could properly explain the relationship between a tractors torque and horsepower, and I am damn sure the average tractor saleman doesn't know either!. The farmer that uses a tractor would be able to explain it through practical experienced knowledge. BTW do you know what has happened to meadow/walls? I dont beleive he would have left this thread alone? Hope he's OK.
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| You all bring up a good point about torque. My little Ford 8N is only 25 hp but is designed to plow. I pull a two bottom 12" plow easily, even on soil not previously tilled. When I first got the tractor my uncle told me I would never be able to pull a two bottom plow. Obviously he was wrong. Safety is another issue when plowing. Using a tractor, even a garden tractor, is an inherently dangerous business. Last month my cousins friend was using my uncles Ford 861 diesel, a relatively small tractor with some serious power. He got a two bottom plow stuck, and instead of raising the plow he just kept pulling on the throttle. Eventually the torque was so great it snapped the rear axle and damaged the plow. if your equipment is now powerful enough, or you misuse your equipment, you can injure yourself or your equipment. Every year you hear about people who have been farming all their lives who are injured or killed while driving a tractor.
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[quote]britboy (10/15/2009)
A word of caution: A lawn tractor is designed as a high Hp but low torque machine, whereas a real tractor is the otherway around. When you start to strain the lawn tractor, asking it to pull a really heavy load the engine will strain too much and because it is built for "speed" it will damage, and eventually break.
The engine on a lawn tractor is made of Aluminum and the bearings will start knocking the journels and break them resulting in you requiring a new engine.
A tractor engine (even a Chinese one) will be made of cast iron and the components (being big and heavy to increase torque) are designed for heavy low speed load.
My 2c: Yes you probably can do it but you will pay for it.[/quote]
Britboy,
There is a lot of difference between a lawn tractor, a garden tractor and a riding lawnmower. The original tractor discussed a Case seemed to be a garden tractor, built to be tough and used for real work.
I know that my tractor (60's vintage) is not built for speed. The farmer that I work with is constantly amazed at the torque it has. And it is true that you must match the tractor and the implements that you use with it. Trying to run a two bottom or a class 2 disk would just be asking to break stuff.
But there are class 0 implements out there that are designed to be used with smaller equipment.
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| Yes, in this little part of England in Illinois we still speak using the English terms for stuff and after I wrote what I wrote I thought I may have got it wrong. Also my eyes are not as good as they used to be but your avitar looks like you are pulling a plough with a ride on lawn mower? I dont know because you say it has a cat0 3pt hitch? I probably should just keep my mouth shut but I only wanted to pass on that people should be careful about what they ask machinery to do. BTW I have seen ploughs being sold to hang of the back of quad bikes. I am sorry but that is not right.
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