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I don't know if we have it wrong really Draw.
To keep it simple stupid is a better practice. How many times have you looked at a pot hole and thought, man why don't they fix that? Then 20 men and 15 studies later they draw up plans to fix the pot hole. Why all the work? because it makes work.
Farmers on the other hand just kind of get things done. I think many times the thoughts behind the common sence are very very deep. But all that explaining and such just draws out a big long talk. We just go get things done.
But in here I'd come across very poorly and few would understand it if I said,
I'm not going to do____________ it's stupid.
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I don't know about that WOS...
I think sometimes we must validate what we do in order to keep up with everyone else. The truth is, what we do is pretty simple, but you remember the 1990's...you know before it was cool to say you were a farmer...the days where you looked at the ground when you asked what you did for a living, tried to take a shower before going to the store because others would scoff at you and say you stank, and basically looked down upon farmers as lower then whale poo in terms of a career.
I think it started in that era. We started trying to make everything we did seem scientific and high tech...more then it should be to keep up with the Jone's on a career scale.
I got to drive around the field last night discing and kind of longed for the good old days when you actually steered the tractor instead of relying on GPS, or the days when our equipment was so small getting the corn in meant running 24/7 to get it done. Farming at night is cool. Now the disc is wider then the lights can shine, and the darn alternator is maxed out by the gps, cell phone charger and digital controls so getting bigger lights is out of the question, but heck as wide as it is, and as powerful as the tractor is, we get more done in 12 hours then we did when we were running 24. And then there is the even more simplistic stuff, like watching a cow drink from a stream. Now we have to have USDA approved fencing 5 feet high and big enough to hold in an elephant to keep cow poo out of the stream.
Onto its own, these are all good things and progress too boot...but let the responsibility fall to where it should, as farmers we let it happen to us. At some point it should end and we get back to simplicity.
Eat lamb...because 50,000 coyotes CAN'T be wrong!
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| "Now Karen, that would be so anti-money, so pro-environmentalism and anti-materialism that it would never fly! (LOL)..." Ain't THAT the truth! 
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My comments on the original post.
I've been around almost 60 years now. I've seen several "environmental" scares and "solutions" come and go. One of the reasons I'm sitting on 18 acres of land, never having achieved my goal, is because of the need to "save the earth". If you look back through the history of our country you will see that this has been a concern and a "cause" for a long time.
I work in an industry that thrives off people wanting to be "green". Our company is actually doing reasonably well at this difficult time because we can support the need to "reuse and recycle". That's not a bad thing.
The real concern is that very few of us have a personal connection to what all of this really means. We only form our opinions from what we see and hear from the media. Hardly a human being in this country has any real idea of how much waste they produce, where it goes and where their food comes from.
The current "save the earth" movement will go just as those in the past have gone. Once there's no money to be made another cause will take it's place. In another 10 years the new "save the earth" cause will be in the limelight.
Now, I'm sounding like wallsostone, but in this case I think he's right ( as well as all of the other posters).
There is nothing real or new about our current propoganda to "save the earth". There is one group of folks who know this and live this deep in their hearts because they must in order to survive. That is our farmers.
They live in a harshly controlled system yet everyday strive to do the best they can and provide us with the food we eat. I know this, because although I didn't have what it takes to work so hard, I now live cheek and jowl as neigbhors with these folks. I support them in every way I can. We are blessed to live amongst farmers who provide us with organic vegetables and meat.
To determine your opinions from the media...which, in my opinion is the catalyst for almost all suffering today (but that's another story), without talking to and HEARING what those involved have to say, is simply a disservice to yourself. It's nice to believe what you hear second hand, but it's powerful to hear from those who are walking the walk.
That's what I love about this forum!
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That's it, I'm writing Tiffle in for President the next time it comes up for vote. (LOL)
Eat lamb...because 50,000 coyotes CAN'T be wrong!
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Todays greenmovement is like a combo of a Bad Civil war reenactment and Woodstock.
It's like people are try'n to live or relive some kind of feel good movement or recreate the 60's....or the perception of the 60s
hell I wasn't even alive till 78.
BUT this save the trees, one with the earth thing.. is no genuine in my mind.
and I'm not anti money Shoooot I love it. BUT I have ethics. I love stuff, but it's not ruling my life.
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Everything old is new again, that's how the saying goes. It doesn't surprise me that this movement comes and goes, all things do. What I think is more encouraging is that it keeps coming back. Maybe one day as a society we will actually realize what is important. Treat our land and it's neighbors with respect. Heck, maybe we'll even realize there is nothing without farmers or land and water. I can dream
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"I think sometimes we must validate what we do in order to keep up with everyone else. The truth is, what we do is pretty simple, but you remember the 1990's...you know before it was cool to say you were a farmer...the days where you looked at the ground when you asked what you did for a living, tried to take a shower before going to the store because others would scoff at you and say you stank, and basically looked down upon farmers as lower then whale poo in terms of a career."
The first part is something that I remember well. And it's the reason I resent the picture painted by non farmers to sell this life to those who "want to be" farmers..
mean wile we who went to school, sat in class after a shower were we missed a spot& the cute girl behind us giggled. The slight whiff of S*it on your shoes.
Is it possible that other vocations over compensate for what they do.
and I'm not saying our gig isn't with out scince..but the way we comunicate our case with each other is simple.
It's one of those talks with few words, because the rest just makes sence.
you know what he meant... why write a thesis on it? it's that simplicity that makes our life a novelty.
See I've never thought that we the farmers dissrespected the land at all, BUT someone needs a devil and we are it. And simplicity...well I don't know our lives in many ways are far more complicated. I don't know any farmer not working a 2nd job or at least a spouse is. 2 jobs? that complex.
But what do they sell you all on? oh the good ol days.
I saw this in stone wall building after 911 people started to get back into old stuff, even if only in name. and copies of old TV shows went threw the sky! I tap this market somewhat unintenchanaly. at work I doft my woolrich duds, but it's cuz I like them. I have Celtic/folk ish music on at work, but it's cuz I like it and it never offends.
But then the client wants to talk about this organic stuff or other things and they are so disappointed when I tell them what I think, and don't fit the mold they presumed I would.
but people want my work because I'm so "earthy"... yea..uh ok I'm a dumb hick farm kid who decided to do things the my way. It's not a movement.. it just is..
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| Did anyone see the study that showed Energy star is not as good as we were told? That Energy Star products are no better than the other brands, but cost more?
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