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Well, I've been doing some reading on the swine flu and the vaccine which seems to be coming out. Some of the news is disturbing, some seems to want to create fear in the marketplace, some just doesn't make sense, and with some it's hard to tell who's telling the truth.
For example, there's suppose to be a pandemic and the authorities are running around getting a vaccine to shoot into us, yet, if you check the stats - more people die from seasonal flu than swine flu - so why the hype? And according to the health officials I've talked to, those who died from swine already had preexisting conditions that weakened their immune systems, so really was it swine flu that killed them or was the flu just the extra piece.
According to the WHO and my own health officials the swine flu is rated as mild to moderate - so again, why the hype about the vaccine?
I've read that the vaccine hasn't gone through the rigorous testing most drugs go through - so why are they rushing ahead to give it to people?
Some countries and apparently Massachusetts are making it mandatory! If mass amounts of people don't die from this flu then why make it mandatory? And if the vaccine really does it's job and is safe why are some sites stating that half of the doctors will refuse to take it?
one link - http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13835
another link - http://www.prisonplanet.com/mandatory-swine-flu-vaccinations-this-fall.html
another link - http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Find-Freedom.htm?At=0068112&From=News
another link - http://www.naturalnews.com/026779_swine_flu_patents_vaccines.html
another link - http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106304
Also, if it is mandatory and one refuses to take it - then what - will they fine you, throw you in jail, put you in detention, give it to you with force? I'm looking for the answers... are you?
As well, I thought we lived in free countries - at least in this part of the world. If I do live in a free country, and I think I do, then do I not have a choice of where I go, what I do and what I put into my body?
I know... some of you are going to say that this sounds far fetched and outlandish - possibly it is. But, unless you ask the questions and seek the answers... how are you ever going to know?
So... I've done a bunch of reading, asked lots of questions and I wondered what the people on this forum thought. Do you routinely take vaccines? Do you care what's in them? Have you been following the swine flu vaccine? How far would you go? Would you refuse to take the vaccine even if it meant you were jailed? Would you take it just to keep the peace, so to speak?
If, as some of these sites seem to indicate there is a movement afoot to do mass vaccinations - will you partake? Will you step up politically and be heard?
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it's bunk to take our eyes off other things in the news.
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it's bunk to take our eyes off other things in the news.
WOS - I don't understand your response. Do you mean that only the main stream media news is correct or that only those things that make the main stream media is worth listening to?
Please clarify - I love hearing what others think and believe.
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| P2 had his 8 yr check up on Monday. The flu, swine flu and a 2nd chicken pox shot was all the talk. I understand the reason behind the flu shot and he is on the list. But that doesn't say he will get it because there are only so many that the office will get. The swine flu shot wont be out until Nov and that doesn't mean we will get it here in Washington Parish either. I have to put my foot down on the 2nd chicken pox shot. He had the 1st shot and then got a case of them 21 days later after leaving the hospital with lung trouble at the age of 2. Besides his grandmother who takes care of him while I'm at work has made it 13 plus years with a kidney and pan transplant. If P2 gets the chicken pox shot he can't be around her for 6 wks. The flu is a wk. The swine flu shot, I have no clue how long he can't be around her. We live in a world class nation washing you hands with soap and warm water and as often as you can, can keep the bugs away. However there is a point when you are too clean. Keeping fingers crossed.
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ValerieJean (8/25/2009)
it's bunk to take our eyes off other things in the news.
WOS - I don't understand your response. Do you mean that only the main stream media news is correct or that only those things that make the main stream media is worth listening to?
Please clarify - I love hearing what others think and believe. I think what she means is the government hopes we will be preoccupied with swine flu and won't notice the campaign promises that are not being kept or notice that the Senators and Representatives have exempted themselves from the healthcare reform that is supposed to be so good for the rest of us, etc.
Lyn Shear Perfection Ranch
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I have the same questions Valerie Jean. One person died in the last Swine Epidemic and yet 30 people died from the vaccine. But who am I to say, I don't take the flu shots either...and seldom get sick ???
Still I do take more precautions now. With my new job I am actually really susceptible to swine flu because I am in contact with ships that sail from all over the world. Since their deck hands handle lines, and I have to handle those same lines, its easy to see that I could get a swine flu from a port halfway around the world...lots of hand sanitizer for me!
But I see what WOS is saying too...switch and bait. Just like now we are dredging up the Guantanamo CIA abuses at the same time the Great Yuppie is slipping WAY below Bush's approval rating for his health care reform debacle.
I love vegetarians...slice them real thin, dip them in ranch dressing and they compliment lamb quite well! :-)
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well so many things.. even ones we've yet to see....OR ponder this.
SWINE FLUE!!!!!!!!! AKA...FIRE!
wheew.. I survived that... man I feel a little better than I did 2 months ago.
It's like scare'n you with $5 per gallon gas to make $2.50 the following summer feel great. uh it's still 2.50!
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| Smoke and mirrors. Like a magician, get you to focus on the right hand while the left hand is doing something he doesn't want you to see. OR, seems they are pretty sure thousands are going to die from this new flu strain. Do they know something they aren't telling us? Ken
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| I too think there is way too much hype over the swine flu. There has been swine flu for as long as people have been raising pigs and there will continue to be swine flu. I never take the flu shots and I can count on 1 hand the number of times I've been sick in the past 35 yrs. I don't believe in using hand sanitizers either, I do wash my hands quite a bit (not as much as I probably should though) I have a soap dispenser mounted outside next to the faucet in the poultry yard and my husband, sister, & I use it alot during the day.
Lord keep you arm around my shoulder & your hand over my mouth If God brings you to it, He will see you through it
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Swine flu is a misnomer...this never started from pigs. That is why they have since changed it to the H1N1 Virus because its not swine related. That was done at the pork producers request, but in this case they were in the right. I would feel the same way if H7R8 was the virus and they called it Lamb Flu...I guess it killed the pork industry.
We made a big joke of it here, and every time my 3 year old coughed, we would say "oh no, swine flu". She got to repeating it, and soon every time she sneezed, she would say, "ought oh Daddy, Swine Flu". Then one day we were in the hospital for our other child and she sneezed and said it. Luckily no one heard us or we would be in quarantine now still.
Even then I can't wait to I go to the hospital for something and they ask me, "have you had any contact with other countries"..."why yes I have, lets see there has been a ship from Dublin, Hong Kong, Singapore, Halifax..."
I love vegetarians...slice them real thin, dip them in ranch dressing and they compliment lamb quite well! :-)
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